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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 8, 2010 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

Hmmm. "Came for the short recognizable songs."

Couldn't folks also have come for both? Our eras aren't that different (except I guess that you started in high school ... which, come to think of it, could make a difference in initial approach), but right from the beginning, I have distinct memories of being really moved and effected by specific long, introspective tunes that did involve a fair amount of jamming or "noodling."

Yet I doubt I was clapping and cheering; probably just seemed to be sitting there dumbstruck, I guess. I'd get more visibly enthused, I'm sure, when I recognized a favorite tune. I think that's what a lot of the cheering probably was, perhaps in any era: the fun game of name-that-tune.

Certainly the Happy Dances would have had me more outwardly excited; the freedom to dance was something that was really special, and kind of spoiled me for other rock concerts in big venues where people just sat like blobs.

But I always thought of the GD as psychedelic first, and the jamming was how that manifested, with the dances kind of coming out of that -- a release, or a reaction, or going into another mode, if that makes sense. Which is one reason the shows and music was (and is) intriguing: a lot happens in the space of a few hours. I imagine that was part of what drew a lot of the audience in any era.

I also don't quite think there was necessarily such a gulf between the 60s and the late 70s. It seemed a long time in the past at the time, in the sense of "oh, I missed the fun," yet it also still seemed relevant rather than retro; the Dead seemed to show it was still continuing in an underground kind of way. I do think that morphed into a kind of reinvention of the 60s, or enactment of an iconic or imagined 60s, later on. While I certainly recall a hippie vibe at early shows, I don't recall a lot of tie dye, for instance. I think of that as coming on the scene later, maybe around 85, just pre-Touchhead, though I could be off. And I'm sure that vision of the 60s meant something about what folks brought to the shows when they first came ... but I tend to think that people were ending up in the same place with the music, regardless of the era.


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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 8, 2010 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

Ha--I was a dedicated head by sixth grade...just couldn't go to a concert til I was in HS.

Oh sure, I imagine some folks were there for the jams, but was just describing that Capn Cook had a point yesterday...ie, jams in the late 70s were not the same as the early days. Think of an Eleven vs space...apples and oranges.

But, all this jam bashing is besides the pt; I think that clapping in general was for "recognition" as you note...the start of a song, OR recognition/reward for an outstanding solo or some such.

And was by extension expounding on the "short song" preference, at least among my odd little group, that went in the mid to late 70s...

Thus, back to CCook's pt: "is clapping at the end of a long jam once a few chords have been played 'thanks' for the jam or 'thanks' for starting the next song?" and my vote is it was often for the latter...dunno the %, but it fits your "name the tune!" game which we ALL did ALL the time, and so did BD and HFlow by their own admission.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 8, 2010 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

I'm with you on that point. Also would judge by the behavior during a long jam later on - lots more beach-ball tossing, bathroom breaks, light another fatty for entertainment, etc. Especially agree: " jams in the late 70s were not the same as the early days. Think of an Eleven vs space...apples and oranges." I do enjoy drum solos, but they better be good and to the point, 3-4 minutes seems more than enough time, whereas a good rendition of The Eleven would have riveted me totally.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 8, 2010 6:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

Gotta define the terms, though. Jams don't equal space, and the disappearance of, say, DS and the Eleven didn't mean the disappearance of jams within songs. Also, late 70s isn't "late."

Maybe it would be clearer if we gave the mini-eras fruit names, since it's apples and oranges, but also peaches and pears and bananas and ... what does, say, 85 get? Kiwi, for the fozziness? Are the last few years a persimmon?

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 8, 2010 8:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

What was most enjoyable about your late 70's, early 80's DEAD experiences? Did you still go for the short rocking tunes played well with high energy solos?

Often, when I listen to shows from this vintage I am often drawn by an unusually long (for the era) Playin' or a second set sandwich or flow of songs, hoping for some new harmonic form to emerge out of the predetermined structure of songs they'd been playing more or less the same way for a long time. I guess this was rare so you did not go hoping for this sort of thing but appreciated it when it happened?

Did you enjoy Althea at all? Thought you might be one to appreciate the latter era brilliance of Garcia/Hunter on this tune.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 8, 2010 9:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

Nope; jam only now; do appreciate Althea, and not just cause of Rose...

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 8, 2010 9:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

Jam on, brother Tell! 12-7-68 is very nice and fuzzy... gonna have to load that onto my laptop from my external soon.

Rose?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 9, 2010 6:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

Althea Rose...the gal poster...we're the same age...I can't say any more, or folks will get upset; I like to think we're friends, that's probably as far as I can go, right?

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 9, 2010 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

where's the yardstick? where's Dan Healy?

gotta keep on top of these things in case we have any testosterone spikes

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

Hey, I am just glad at the close of the third quarter we are beating the russkies in FIBA, with our "replacement team"...whewww...lets hope it holds up. 38 yrs ago I lived and died with the three time replay of the last 3 seconds; I did become a huge fan of Doug Collins as a result, regardless of what he does to his hair these days, I will forever appreciate the fact that he won that game in the Olympics...

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

My grandfather was on the Red Army basketball team, starting point guard... they used to go around playing other base's teams and clubs teams, etc. That's how he spent a good deal of his mandatory military service!